Five Talking Points from Stoke City's 2-1 win over Manchester United

Manchester United can’t do it on a windy weekend at Stoke

The cliché that you were only good enough if you could beat stoke on a windy Wednesday night was used to death during the tiki-taka heydays. But, it looks as though, United still can’t do it. Profligate finishing and some terrible defending were the main reasons for the eighth defeat of the season for Moyes. With every passing Evra is looking like he is past and that Moyes should have gone for Luke Shaw sooner. Cleverley in the middle is looking as useful as a sack of spuds. And, up front, with van Persie just making his way back and Rooney forced to play in midfield, they lacked a finisher and that came back to bite them in the end. It certainly looks like it is one step forward and two steps back for Moyes and Manchester United.